Digital Book :
Hinduism and Buddhism - An Historical Sketch
By Sir Charles Eliot
Published by Routledge, Kegan Paul Ltd., London - 1921
( In Three Volumes )
RBS, you love dead white males, dont you?! A question which has been competently and to some acclaim dealt with by Romila Thapar, DD Kosambi among many others, you have left to some DWM to resolve!
Have not read the book( above) as yet of course but commenting on your reflex action! Will also read it and comment.
( See you could not bask in the sunshine of my approval for too long!!) :)
Ah! Ah!
Sumedha : Unfortunately....most of these rare books were written by DWM's in the 19th century....for some reason its only their books that one can find archived on the Net for a download. I could cite a book by a notable Indian author and post an 'Amazon buy link' or a book review in some magazine.....but that would not give one the satisfaction of reading the original first hand to form one's own opinions - which incidentally happens to be the ambitious aspiration of RBSI.
So...you'll see more books of DWMs on a daily basis ! : )
...and I'll have to forgo the approval. : )
Reading the original first hand ? Hullo...the books by Indian historians are not some intellectually lazy copies of your DWM books...but are based on academically rigorous methods, field studies, archaeological findings and studies of source materials such as coins, inscriptions, temple grants, manuscripts etc.
DWM books are also dated in terms of source material since much more material has been unearthed than was available in the 19th century.
DWMs can be for entertainment but rarely for learning.
Have to be paid for...Funds?
^^ A recommended book before forming opinion on academic rigor is 'Eminent Historians' by Arun Shourie.
Full name of the book - Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud (1998, ISBN 81-900199-8-8)
Great ! Please send the download links of the books by Indian historians....will post them right away !
But this is not India, its Angkor Wat in Cambodia!
@ Helle :It might not be India, but the culture and religion there was indian
who said India?
Cambodia is very much part of the larger Indic civilisation.Angkor Wat is the largest Vishnu temple in the world?
And really I dont think anyone will get any where if Hinduism and Buddhism are discussed sans India! Although all inputs are welcome and provide a comprehensive picture.
yes what is called Greater India.For a very basic overview
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_India
In fact some of the most profound sanskrit inscriptions are found in Khmer.
Sumedha : Let me explain. The idea behind RBSI is to post rare and antiquarian books in digitized downloadable formats to one and all. The very nature of printed material at any time in history is that...it would be one man/woman's opinion and same could be vehemently contested by another at any given time. The books could be based on research or printed for the sake of propaganda.
In reality, these rare and lost books (whatever may be their persuasion) are generally available in elusive libraries or with antiquarian booksellers at a high cost. Each of them are unique from a rare book collectors viewpoint....and has its own value...as a curiosity, authenticity or plain rarity.
The idea is to post these lost books and wait to hear from experts, scholars or academics like you....who can give their valued opinions and educate the rest of us about the subject and the book in particular. Akin to a book review in Amazon.
I therefore urge the members to treat this interactive wall more as an opportunity to enlighten others who may not know as much as you do....rather than be judgmental and unnecessarily combative over these past events and issues.
In 1998, during the first Mastermind India Quiz, I'd, as my special subject "Hindu Kingdoms in South-East Asia"; in the course of my studies for this challenge, I'd to come to the conclusion that, perhaps sadly, MOST of the readable literature in early archaeology of India and "Greater India", the latter especially, has been written by the DWMs; Prof. Romila Thapar and D. D. Kosambi're great names, no doubt, but, as Thapar's "Somnath" proves, even great minds've their limitations and, if they also tend to blindly subscribe to a certain brand of politics, rather serious ones! Kosambi was an awe-inspiring polyglot, no doubt, but NO stranger to ideological bias, again sadly...
@ RBS I guess get your point but these DWMs also get my goat when I read them! My fault? Maybe?! Also I personally do not read books for their rarity but the content.
@ Gautam Chakrabarti True that most people have their own biases
Where oh where do I get objectivity....!
Exactly my point Gautam. There is no historian who is not
controversial. All the post-colonial historians are viewed by
a section of people as Marxists, All DWM's (however good they were) are viewed with derision by the new literati, The Brahmin historians are viewed negatively by the secular, western and muslim intellectuals, The ancient travel writers are seen as hopeless romantics....why, even modern
day historians like William Dalrymple are viewed as leftists and immensely disliked by many a articulate writers on this forum. It is all a matter of opinion and the inclination of the individual finally.
I think RBSI you should continue posting what ever you want to. And not worry what some people like or not. You are the messenger that shouldn't be killed. :)
Thanks Vikram. I want the editors, teachers and critics to swoop in after I post....not before. : )
Welcome Sudhee ! Exactly my point to Gautam earlier today... : )
Some people put Arun Shourie in the same category. Waise politician and historian is not a cocktail I'd like to drink.
History and Politics...where does one begin and where does the other end ??
@RBSI: Point is not when one begins or where the other ends. When practiced at the same time it leads to corruption of either or the other. Some times both. All the more true if you are a politician.
Read Book Online : VOLUME 1 : http://www.archive.org/stream/hinduismandbuddh00eliouoft#page/n5/mode/2up VOLUME 2 : http://www.archive.org/stream/hinduismandbuddh02eliouoft#page/n3/mode/2up VOLUME 3 : http://www.archive.org/stream/hinduismandbuddh03eliouoft#page/n5/mode/2up
Download pdf Book : VOLUME 1 : http://ia311533.us.archive.org/1/items/hinduismandbuddh00eliouoft/hinduismandbuddh00eliouoft.pdf VOLUME 2 : http://ia311517.us.archive.org/3/items/hinduismandbuddh02eliouoft/hinduismandbuddh02eliouoft.pdf VOLUME 3 : http://ia341309.us.archive.org/1/items/hinduismandbuddh03eliouoft/hinduismandbuddh03eliouoft.pdf
RBS, you love dead white males, dont you?! A question which has been competently and to some acclaim dealt with by Romila Thapar, DD Kosambi among many others, you have left to some DWM to resolve! Have not read the book( above) as yet of course but commenting on your reflex action! Will also read it and comment. ( See you could not bask in the sunshine of my approval for too long!!) :)
Ah! Ah!
Sumedha : Unfortunately....most of these rare books were written by DWM's in the 19th century....for some reason its only their books that one can find archived on the Net for a download. I could cite a book by a notable Indian author and post an 'Amazon buy link' or a book review in some magazine.....but that would not give one the satisfaction of reading the original first hand to form one's own opinions - which incidentally happens to be the ambitious aspiration of RBSI. So...you'll see more books of DWMs on a daily basis ! : )
...and I'll have to forgo the approval. : )
Reading the original first hand ? Hullo...the books by Indian historians are not some intellectually lazy copies of your DWM books...but are based on academically rigorous methods, field studies, archaeological findings and studies of source materials such as coins, inscriptions, temple grants, manuscripts etc. DWM books are also dated in terms of source material since much more material has been unearthed than was available in the 19th century. DWMs can be for entertainment but rarely for learning.
Have to be paid for...Funds?
^^ A recommended book before forming opinion on academic rigor is 'Eminent Historians' by Arun Shourie. Full name of the book - Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud (1998, ISBN 81-900199-8-8)
Great ! Please send the download links of the books by Indian historians....will post them right away !
But this is not India, its Angkor Wat in Cambodia!
@ Helle :It might not be India, but the culture and religion there was indian
who said India?
Cambodia is very much part of the larger Indic civilisation.Angkor Wat is the largest Vishnu temple in the world? And really I dont think anyone will get any where if Hinduism and Buddhism are discussed sans India! Although all inputs are welcome and provide a comprehensive picture.
yes what is called Greater India.For a very basic overview http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_India In fact some of the most profound sanskrit inscriptions are found in Khmer.
Sumedha : Let me explain. The idea behind RBSI is to post rare and antiquarian books in digitized downloadable formats to one and all. The very nature of printed material at any time in history is that...it would be one man/woman's opinion and same could be vehemently contested by another at any given time. The books could be based on research or printed for the sake of propaganda. In reality, these rare and lost books (whatever may be their persuasion) are generally available in elusive libraries or with antiquarian booksellers at a high cost. Each of them are unique from a rare book collectors viewpoint....and has its own value...as a curiosity, authenticity or plain rarity. The idea is to post these lost books and wait to hear from experts, scholars or academics like you....who can give their valued opinions and educate the rest of us about the subject and the book in particular. Akin to a book review in Amazon. I therefore urge the members to treat this interactive wall more as an opportunity to enlighten others who may not know as much as you do....rather than be judgmental and unnecessarily combative over these past events and issues.
In 1998, during the first Mastermind India Quiz, I'd, as my special subject "Hindu Kingdoms in South-East Asia"; in the course of my studies for this challenge, I'd to come to the conclusion that, perhaps sadly, MOST of the readable literature in early archaeology of India and "Greater India", the latter especially, has been written by the DWMs; Prof. Romila Thapar and D. D. Kosambi're great names, no doubt, but, as Thapar's "Somnath" proves, even great minds've their limitations and, if they also tend to blindly subscribe to a certain brand of politics, rather serious ones! Kosambi was an awe-inspiring polyglot, no doubt, but NO stranger to ideological bias, again sadly...
@ RBS I guess get your point but these DWMs also get my goat when I read them! My fault? Maybe?! Also I personally do not read books for their rarity but the content. @ Gautam Chakrabarti True that most people have their own biases Where oh where do I get objectivity....!
Exactly my point Gautam. There is no historian who is not controversial. All the post-colonial historians are viewed by a section of people as Marxists, All DWM's (however good they were) are viewed with derision by the new literati, The Brahmin historians are viewed negatively by the secular, western and muslim intellectuals, The ancient travel writers are seen as hopeless romantics....why, even modern day historians like William Dalrymple are viewed as leftists and immensely disliked by many a articulate writers on this forum. It is all a matter of opinion and the inclination of the individual finally.
I think RBSI you should continue posting what ever you want to. And not worry what some people like or not. You are the messenger that shouldn't be killed. :)
Thanks Vikram. I want the editors, teachers and critics to swoop in after I post....not before. : )
Welcome Sudhee ! Exactly my point to Gautam earlier today... : )
Some people put Arun Shourie in the same category. Waise politician and historian is not a cocktail I'd like to drink.
History and Politics...where does one begin and where does the other end ??
@RBSI: Point is not when one begins or where the other ends. When practiced at the same time it leads to corruption of either or the other. Some times both. All the more true if you are a politician.